I guess a question I have, aside from all of the potential pitfalls, what can creative people do with this tool in a way that does not destroy one's creative exploration but rather enhances it. There is something to be said for letting machines do a lot of the drudgery and then allowing the artist to start thinking on a grander scale which seems like it could be great for independent film makers. Or will it cause atrophy to one's creative muscle. Or maybe become overwhelming in opening possibilities. Like I have said for years, 'The great thing about computers is that they save you a lot of time on work you would have never done.'
I must say this whole AI "conversation" exchange has been so much fun to listen in on. I never thought I would find myself expressing positive feelings about AI, but here I am.
OK, I get it completely with the chatGPT thing. Still, and this is my bias, I'll take the quirkyness of the writers output over the professorial-ship sounding textbook robotish-ness rewrite. That's just me and perhaps some may agree. I love correct grammar and spelling but I also love love love the personality of the writer to come through and not adopted by the robot's writing. When I'm reading an article/essay by a writer I respect and enjoy reading, for me, it's like cheating when the bot takes over and pretends the writer wrote it. Now if one tells me beforehand that chatGPT wrote it, I can make that choice whether or not to read it. And regarding that "poem" it wrote..........I know you put that in for humor's sake but it really sucks. Your poetry is far superior and can't be compared to this drek. Sorry, for being so harsh, but while I'm not a Luddite, a lot of technology leaves me with much to be desired. If it ain't broke, why fix it? I feel the same about "artists" who use computers to generate their "art". OK, I'll shut up now.
Yes I totally get that and agree. Still, as a collage artist I see some interesting possibilities for 'found material' in it to compose from. The poem did suck. But interesting how the computer reduced it down to a poem - what it chose as its theme and then wove it together. I wonder how it makes decisions based on how it would 'sound' when spoken. trippy.
I like how you used the term 'found material' within the essay for chatGPT to choose words to make a poem. It chooses to rhyme words as that's what 'poem' means to it and many humans as well. Not that sophisticated. And you wondering 'how it makes decisions...' is the part of that technology that both scares and intrigues me...as if it's a sentient being of sorts.
What word would you use instead of decision? It clearly has some sort of rules that causes it to chose something at the expense of everything else - to go from a 450 word essay to a rhyming 70 words that stick pretty good to the theme of the essay. So it is following some sort of rule structure and prioritizing in a certain way to end up with a fairly cohesive poetic statement. Whether a human would agree that it is good or not is a different subject. As far as the very simple rhyming, I didn't specify. I could ask it to use Alternate rhyme, ABABBCBC Ballades, Coupled rhyme, Enclosed rhyme, Simple four-line rhyme, Terza rima, Limerick, Villanelle, etc. and I am sure it could do a version of each which I might experiment with later. or I could say in the style of Shakespeare or Longfellow or e.e.commings, etc. or only use words without an E in them, etc. or I could maybe ask it to focus on a certain motif or something. I am not deeply studied into all of the poetic forms possible but I assume it could come up with something.
OK, so here is a kind of poetic quote from Arshile Gorky" "The secret is to throw yourself into the water of life again and again, not to hang back, no reservations, risk everything, but above all strike out boldly with all you have."
I used this quote as a prompt and asked AI to make a Terza rima poem.
An Italian form of poetry that consists of tercets, a terza rima follows a chain rhyme in which the second line of each stanza rhymes with the first and last line of the subsequent stanza. It ends with a couplet rhyming with the middle line of the penultimate stanza. The pattern is ABA BCB CDC DED EE.
The chosen word "decision" that you used is a perfectly fine word to use here as I am merely saying it scares me as well as intrigues me at the same time. I understand that as a TOOL chatGPT is amazing just as an ultrasound is to be able to determine a fatty liver issue (don't ask me how I know this...). And while I'm not a connoisseur of poetry (but I know what moves me in a profound way), this last poem you got chatGPT to do from a quote by Gorky is pretty amazing just for it's ability to listen to how you wanted it done..... But damn, I'd hate to be a teacher or professor these days and have to grade students papers knowing very well that the buggers will cheat/lie/plagiarize and use chatGPT to their hearts content to pass a class because it's so much easier than being completely creative and finding the words that express what they're trying to convey. I put chatGPT with AI generated photos/paintings/videos and mainly seeing it for evil purposes if not for entertainment ones. With it we can put words and images unto anyone for unethical purposes as I don't see any way it can be 'controlled'. Perhaps I see people as more bad than good and that's my problem; I'm too jaded in my older age thanks to specific experiences.
Yes, but it makes me think about when high schools decided to let students use calculators in school. Then everybody didn't learn how to add and multiply stuff in their head. On the other hand they were then being taught much more complicated forms of mathematics that you couldn't really do in your head. So there is a loss of one mental discipline in trade for high forms of calculation that required machine help. then onto computers and big data to see stuff and trends and patterns we could not possibly see without them. Then the shift from paper records to digitized files and amazing systems of retrieval and storage that could not be done with paper files. Now with AI we need machines to keep up with the machines and to know stuff that all of us together cannot fathom. It is wild but there is no getting around it I guess. It's the next step. To where? Who knows! Only AI will be able to figure that out, we are too slow and too limited to even conceive and ask the question. So yes, that is definitely freaky but as a human society we can't seem to stop ourselves or have a clue where the limits might be, if any.
I guess a question I have, aside from all of the potential pitfalls, what can creative people do with this tool in a way that does not destroy one's creative exploration but rather enhances it. There is something to be said for letting machines do a lot of the drudgery and then allowing the artist to start thinking on a grander scale which seems like it could be great for independent film makers. Or will it cause atrophy to one's creative muscle. Or maybe become overwhelming in opening possibilities. Like I have said for years, 'The great thing about computers is that they save you a lot of time on work you would have never done.'
I must say this whole AI "conversation" exchange has been so much fun to listen in on. I never thought I would find myself expressing positive feelings about AI, but here I am.
OK, I get it completely with the chatGPT thing. Still, and this is my bias, I'll take the quirkyness of the writers output over the professorial-ship sounding textbook robotish-ness rewrite. That's just me and perhaps some may agree. I love correct grammar and spelling but I also love love love the personality of the writer to come through and not adopted by the robot's writing. When I'm reading an article/essay by a writer I respect and enjoy reading, for me, it's like cheating when the bot takes over and pretends the writer wrote it. Now if one tells me beforehand that chatGPT wrote it, I can make that choice whether or not to read it. And regarding that "poem" it wrote..........I know you put that in for humor's sake but it really sucks. Your poetry is far superior and can't be compared to this drek. Sorry, for being so harsh, but while I'm not a Luddite, a lot of technology leaves me with much to be desired. If it ain't broke, why fix it? I feel the same about "artists" who use computers to generate their "art". OK, I'll shut up now.
And maybe there is something to be said for being more of a luddite, mixing more in the physical, natural, personal world of experiences.
Yes I totally get that and agree. Still, as a collage artist I see some interesting possibilities for 'found material' in it to compose from. The poem did suck. But interesting how the computer reduced it down to a poem - what it chose as its theme and then wove it together. I wonder how it makes decisions based on how it would 'sound' when spoken. trippy.
I like how you used the term 'found material' within the essay for chatGPT to choose words to make a poem. It chooses to rhyme words as that's what 'poem' means to it and many humans as well. Not that sophisticated. And you wondering 'how it makes decisions...' is the part of that technology that both scares and intrigues me...as if it's a sentient being of sorts.
What word would you use instead of decision? It clearly has some sort of rules that causes it to chose something at the expense of everything else - to go from a 450 word essay to a rhyming 70 words that stick pretty good to the theme of the essay. So it is following some sort of rule structure and prioritizing in a certain way to end up with a fairly cohesive poetic statement. Whether a human would agree that it is good or not is a different subject. As far as the very simple rhyming, I didn't specify. I could ask it to use Alternate rhyme, ABABBCBC Ballades, Coupled rhyme, Enclosed rhyme, Simple four-line rhyme, Terza rima, Limerick, Villanelle, etc. and I am sure it could do a version of each which I might experiment with later. or I could say in the style of Shakespeare or Longfellow or e.e.commings, etc. or only use words without an E in them, etc. or I could maybe ask it to focus on a certain motif or something. I am not deeply studied into all of the poetic forms possible but I assume it could come up with something.
OK, so here is a kind of poetic quote from Arshile Gorky" "The secret is to throw yourself into the water of life again and again, not to hang back, no reservations, risk everything, but above all strike out boldly with all you have."
I used this quote as a prompt and asked AI to make a Terza rima poem.
An Italian form of poetry that consists of tercets, a terza rima follows a chain rhyme in which the second line of each stanza rhymes with the first and last line of the subsequent stanza. It ends with a couplet rhyming with the middle line of the penultimate stanza. The pattern is ABA BCB CDC DED EE.
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The chosen word "decision" that you used is a perfectly fine word to use here as I am merely saying it scares me as well as intrigues me at the same time. I understand that as a TOOL chatGPT is amazing just as an ultrasound is to be able to determine a fatty liver issue (don't ask me how I know this...). And while I'm not a connoisseur of poetry (but I know what moves me in a profound way), this last poem you got chatGPT to do from a quote by Gorky is pretty amazing just for it's ability to listen to how you wanted it done..... But damn, I'd hate to be a teacher or professor these days and have to grade students papers knowing very well that the buggers will cheat/lie/plagiarize and use chatGPT to their hearts content to pass a class because it's so much easier than being completely creative and finding the words that express what they're trying to convey. I put chatGPT with AI generated photos/paintings/videos and mainly seeing it for evil purposes if not for entertainment ones. With it we can put words and images unto anyone for unethical purposes as I don't see any way it can be 'controlled'. Perhaps I see people as more bad than good and that's my problem; I'm too jaded in my older age thanks to specific experiences.
Yes, but it makes me think about when high schools decided to let students use calculators in school. Then everybody didn't learn how to add and multiply stuff in their head. On the other hand they were then being taught much more complicated forms of mathematics that you couldn't really do in your head. So there is a loss of one mental discipline in trade for high forms of calculation that required machine help. then onto computers and big data to see stuff and trends and patterns we could not possibly see without them. Then the shift from paper records to digitized files and amazing systems of retrieval and storage that could not be done with paper files. Now with AI we need machines to keep up with the machines and to know stuff that all of us together cannot fathom. It is wild but there is no getting around it I guess. It's the next step. To where? Who knows! Only AI will be able to figure that out, we are too slow and too limited to even conceive and ask the question. So yes, that is definitely freaky but as a human society we can't seem to stop ourselves or have a clue where the limits might be, if any.
Into the water, throw yourself anew,
No hesitations, let the current lead,
No fearful step to halt what you pursue.
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Risk everything, for boldness is the seed,
Strike out with fervor, cast away the doubt,
Where life flows wild, it’s there you’ll truly feed.
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Dive deep and let your spirit shout,
For holding back won’t teach you how to fly,
But only leave you stranded, left without.
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In life’s vast ocean, sail beneath the sky,
With all you have, your strength, your soul, your heart,
Each stroke a bold embrace, each breath a try.
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No map can guide the path or where to start,
Just throw yourself and tear the fear apart.