I guess a question I have, aside from all of the potential pitfalls, what can creative people do with this tool in a way that does not destroy one's creative exploration but rather enhances it. There is something to be said for letting machines do a lot of the drudgery and then allowing the artist to start thinking on a grander scale which seems like it could be great for independent film makers. Or will it cause atrophy to one's creative muscle. Or maybe become overwhelming in opening possibilities. Like I have said for years, 'The great thing about computers is that they save you a lot of time on work you would have never done.'
I must say this whole AI "conversation" exchange has been so much fun to listen in on. I never thought I would find myself expressing positive feelings about AI, but here I am.
OK, I get it completely with the chatGPT thing. Still, and this is my bias, I'll take the quirkyness of the writers output over the professorial-ship sounding textbook robotish-ness rewrite. That's just me and perhaps some may agree. I love correct grammar and spelling but I also love love love the personality of the writer to come through and not adopted by the robot's writing. When I'm reading an article/essay by a writer I respect and enjoy reading, for me, it's like cheating when the bot takes over and pretends the writer wrote it. Now if one tells me beforehand that chatGPT wrote it, I can make that choice whether or not to read it. And regarding that "poem" it wrote..........I know you put that in for humor's sake but it really sucks. Your poetry is far superior and can't be compared to this drek. Sorry, for being so harsh, but while I'm not a Luddite, a lot of technology leaves me with much to be desired. If it ain't broke, why fix it? I feel the same about "artists" who use computers to generate their "art". OK, I'll shut up now.
Yes I totally get that and agree. Still, as a collage artist I see some interesting possibilities for 'found material' in it to compose from. The poem did suck. But interesting how the computer reduced it down to a poem - what it chose as its theme and then wove it together. I wonder how it makes decisions based on how it would 'sound' when spoken. trippy.
I like how you used the term 'found material' within the essay for chatGPT to choose words to make a poem. It chooses to rhyme words as that's what 'poem' means to it and many humans as well. Not that sophisticated. And you wondering 'how it makes decisions...' is the part of that technology that both scares and intrigues me...as if it's a sentient being of sorts.
What word would you use instead of decision? It clearly has some sort of rules that causes it to chose something at the expense of everything else - to go from a 450 word essay to a rhyming 70 words that stick pretty good to the theme of the essay. So it is following some sort of rule structure and prioritizing in a certain way to end up with a fairly cohesive poetic statement. Whether a human would agree that it is good or not is a different subject. As far as the very simple rhyming, I didn't specify. I could ask it to use Alternate rhyme, ABABBCBC Ballades, Coupled rhyme, Enclosed rhyme, Simple four-line rhyme, Terza rima, Limerick, Villanelle, etc. and I am sure it could do a version of each which I might experiment with later. or I could say in the style of Shakespeare or Longfellow or e.e.commings, etc. or only use words without an E in them, etc. or I could maybe ask it to focus on a certain motif or something. I am not deeply studied into all of the poetic forms possible but I assume it could come up with something.
OK, so here is a kind of poetic quote from Arshile Gorky" "The secret is to throw yourself into the water of life again and again, not to hang back, no reservations, risk everything, but above all strike out boldly with all you have."
I used this quote as a prompt and asked AI to make a Terza rima poem.
An Italian form of poetry that consists of tercets, a terza rima follows a chain rhyme in which the second line of each stanza rhymes with the first and last line of the subsequent stanza. It ends with a couplet rhyming with the middle line of the penultimate stanza. The pattern is ABA BCB CDC DED EE.
I guess a question I have, aside from all of the potential pitfalls, what can creative people do with this tool in a way that does not destroy one's creative exploration but rather enhances it. There is something to be said for letting machines do a lot of the drudgery and then allowing the artist to start thinking on a grander scale which seems like it could be great for independent film makers. Or will it cause atrophy to one's creative muscle. Or maybe become overwhelming in opening possibilities. Like I have said for years, 'The great thing about computers is that they save you a lot of time on work you would have never done.'
I must say this whole AI "conversation" exchange has been so much fun to listen in on. I never thought I would find myself expressing positive feelings about AI, but here I am.
OK, I get it completely with the chatGPT thing. Still, and this is my bias, I'll take the quirkyness of the writers output over the professorial-ship sounding textbook robotish-ness rewrite. That's just me and perhaps some may agree. I love correct grammar and spelling but I also love love love the personality of the writer to come through and not adopted by the robot's writing. When I'm reading an article/essay by a writer I respect and enjoy reading, for me, it's like cheating when the bot takes over and pretends the writer wrote it. Now if one tells me beforehand that chatGPT wrote it, I can make that choice whether or not to read it. And regarding that "poem" it wrote..........I know you put that in for humor's sake but it really sucks. Your poetry is far superior and can't be compared to this drek. Sorry, for being so harsh, but while I'm not a Luddite, a lot of technology leaves me with much to be desired. If it ain't broke, why fix it? I feel the same about "artists" who use computers to generate their "art". OK, I'll shut up now.
And maybe there is something to be said for being more of a luddite, mixing more in the physical, natural, personal world of experiences.
Yes I totally get that and agree. Still, as a collage artist I see some interesting possibilities for 'found material' in it to compose from. The poem did suck. But interesting how the computer reduced it down to a poem - what it chose as its theme and then wove it together. I wonder how it makes decisions based on how it would 'sound' when spoken. trippy.
I like how you used the term 'found material' within the essay for chatGPT to choose words to make a poem. It chooses to rhyme words as that's what 'poem' means to it and many humans as well. Not that sophisticated. And you wondering 'how it makes decisions...' is the part of that technology that both scares and intrigues me...as if it's a sentient being of sorts.
What word would you use instead of decision? It clearly has some sort of rules that causes it to chose something at the expense of everything else - to go from a 450 word essay to a rhyming 70 words that stick pretty good to the theme of the essay. So it is following some sort of rule structure and prioritizing in a certain way to end up with a fairly cohesive poetic statement. Whether a human would agree that it is good or not is a different subject. As far as the very simple rhyming, I didn't specify. I could ask it to use Alternate rhyme, ABABBCBC Ballades, Coupled rhyme, Enclosed rhyme, Simple four-line rhyme, Terza rima, Limerick, Villanelle, etc. and I am sure it could do a version of each which I might experiment with later. or I could say in the style of Shakespeare or Longfellow or e.e.commings, etc. or only use words without an E in them, etc. or I could maybe ask it to focus on a certain motif or something. I am not deeply studied into all of the poetic forms possible but I assume it could come up with something.
OK, so here is a kind of poetic quote from Arshile Gorky" "The secret is to throw yourself into the water of life again and again, not to hang back, no reservations, risk everything, but above all strike out boldly with all you have."
I used this quote as a prompt and asked AI to make a Terza rima poem.
An Italian form of poetry that consists of tercets, a terza rima follows a chain rhyme in which the second line of each stanza rhymes with the first and last line of the subsequent stanza. It ends with a couplet rhyming with the middle line of the penultimate stanza. The pattern is ABA BCB CDC DED EE.
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